I know this is late, but I wasn't sure if I wanted to put it up. Considering I have been driving my friends batty with a brazillion Facebook messages/e-mails/texts a day regarding the three elections that are going on (Halifax gets a municipal election, dontcha know) I figured I should start up the old bloggy blog again.
This is my first attempt at liveblogging...please be kind. Also, any confusion between my commentary and the words of actual party leaders is purely my fault.
10:04: Harper just used 30 seconds of his 45 second intro to directly attack Dion’s economic plan from last night. Wowsers.
10:11: May: “You really should read the OECD report on Canada’s economy”. Zing!
10:26: Did Harper just say “lazy faire”? I have to believe it was a slip of the tongue.
10:30: I love this table setting idea. I really do. Why didn’t we do this years ago?
10:33: Environment, here we go. Dion looks instantly more energized.
10:37: Wow. Dion is getting really hard core on the “Harper is a liar” line.
10:39: Oh Gilles Duceppe…each province having its own environment plan? Are you serious? Green house gases don’t stop at borders. Although, points for attempting to stay relevant.
10:41: I think this is the second time Layton has compared Harper to Bush. 2004 called, Jack, and it wants its insult back.
10:43: Ah, the magic word, Kyoto. You can talk targets all you like, Steve, but you can’t run from the fact that they are lower than internationally agreed targets.
10:43: Bush count: 3...this time from May. Oh, 4. I’m glad she called Duceppe out on his ridiculousness.
10:45: I don’t disagree with what Dion is saying, but he slips into professorial mode when he talks about the environment, and I can’t be entirely confident people aren’t just tuning him out.
10:46: Third question: Candace Jacobs lives in Quebec and can’t find a pediatrician. What are the leaders going to do about the doctor shortage in Canada?
- Layton: Increase doctors and nurses. Forgive docs student debts if they stay in family medicine for 10 years.
- Duceppe: Health is a provincial jurisdiction. Re: health, it’s a matter of Ottawa knows best. Ottawa should focus on aboriginal health and food inspection and stay out of the provinces.
- May: Our doc shortage is directly b/c o the 1993 cuts. We have to reinvest in health care now. No student debts, more beds.
- Dion: 5 million Canadians don’t have a GP. Our docs and nurses are aging (50 year average) at the same time our pop is aging and needs more care. Ottawa needs to be part of the solution in partnership w/ the provinces
- Harper: Agrees with May. Nasty Liberals cut everything in the 90s and now the Conservatives have to clean up the mess. They HAVE been working with the provinces, providing w/ record amounts of money. Also assitional measures to help with doctor recruitment
Layton: Harper, do you think Canadians forget? You lead a citizens group whose main objective was to privatize health care. The NDP hearts Tommy Douglas. It’ll stop the tax cuts to Exxon and give the money to health care and pharmacare.
10:52: Harper has never used a private clinic. Neither has May. Layton doesn’t know why Harper wants to dismantle a system he himself uses. Layton went to Shouldice clinic once (a private clinic? I'm not in on the Upper Canada reference), apparently he used his OHIP card though. He says Harper should check with Tommy Douglas’s daughter…I’m confused.
10:53: Dion: Decreasing waiting lists is a Conservative broken promise.
10:54: May: There are evil international pressures that want to ruin our healthcare system. NAFTA chapter 11 will be the end of us all. Universal healthcare is a sacred trust the US wants to exploit. May also doesn’t believe in private clinics covered by provincial health systems. The Greens think the spectre of erosion is too great.
10:56: Duceppe: Provincial jurisdiction…we don’t need your stinking money Ottawa. Don’t just keep calling us up at 3:00am when you have cash, and then leaving us waiting by the phone when you don’t. The need is always there baby…fix the fiscal imbalance.
10:57: Layton: Calls Harper out on skating over aboriginal health issues. Good for you.
10:58: Question Four: DaleAnne Potter is an artist and has artist friends. What does the arts mean to each leader and what funding will you give to it?
- Duceppe: He bleeds arts. He knows it well. Harper made cuts to the cultural sector. Bad! How could he recognize the nation of Quebec and then cut the cultural soul right out of it?!
- May: Arts and culture=democracy. Censorship is bad. RICHARD FLORIDA CREATIVE CLASS!!! YAY!!!!! It’s importance to the economic sector to have arts and culture. We need to protect our Canadian identity from the encroaching US.
- Dion: The arts brings beauty. It stimulates us all. It's a big industry with a big economic return, not just a luxury.
- Harper: He enjoys the arts and plays the piano. His wife’s family is very artistic, he’s very humble about the musical ability on his side. $500 tax credit for every child to be enrolled in artistic programmes.
- Layton: Olivia is a sculptor. Harper is ironic. Most people in the arts can’t send their kids to piano lessons, ha! Our artists are the poorest people in the country. Make their first $20,000 on copyright materials and residuals tax free.
11:03: Question from TVO Steve, the Moderator: Are the Conservatives barbarians?
- Dion: The cuts to the arts were done underhandedly. You also didn’t say it was because the arts were inefficient, it’s because you don’t like them!
- Duceppe: I am lost on what he is saying...
- Harper: The budget for arts and culture has gone up. They’ve just moved the money around to more efficient programmes is all. They only cut ineffective programmes…trust him, even the director of La Cavallier said so.
- May: Doesn’t think that Harper hates the arts, or particularly supports them. Somehow this train of thought has morphed into the fact that Harper has some super computer that knows about every voter...
- Layton: Harper is trying to censor people who he doesn’t like and is suppressing freedom of expression.
Harper: is bringing up the director of La Cavallier (sp?) again…I think it’s the only artist he knows.
11:10: Question Five: Sameer Thaver is from Markham. He watches the news and there’s lots of crime. What are you going to do about the rate of violent crime?
- May: Violent crime isn’t going up, just the media focus on it. Ban handguns, give judges stricter instructions re: violent crimes. Shout out to rifle owners (just so they know she knows that they aren’t the bad guys).
- Dion: Poverty, addiction, mental illness. Give police the tools they need.
- Harper: There are increases in gang and drug violence. Tougher sentences for young offenders who do this. Oh, they’ll also prevent crime too…they’ll help youth who are getting into gangs…unless they commit property crime, they want tougher sentences for that too.
- Layton: 3 people were killed by stray bullets this year in his riding. Ban handguns, except for in the hands of the police.
- Duceppe: Quebec has the best record of any province, especially with regard to young offenders. Instead of punishing YOs, we should educate them better. We need to hit the “real criminals” hard. What about the victims…something about employment insurance for them.
- May: John Kennedy found that young offenders were often not literate. This shows that we need to invest in our kids when they’re young. Harper cut $17 million in literacy.
Harper: No, the program didn’t teach people to read, that’s why we cut it. We differ with everyone else in that we think we should give harsher sentences to YOs with violent crime.
Layton: $400/child/year so that low income families can get a real start in life. We’re not sure how though…he didn’t tell us.
Dion: Harper hates judicial independence, Dion does not. Even Nunn J. from NS thinks you’re crazy and he wrote the report on youth crime!
Harper: No, YOU’RE wrong. We’re letting judges have more ability re: sentencing. We also think house arrest sucks, it’s because of house arrest that property crime is going up. (Ed note: huh?)
Duceppe: We have a different legal system in Quebec, your plan does not work for us.
May: Minimum sentences don’t deter crime. Your crime package will only cost more money and not do anything. Youth can’t vote, drink or drive; why would you put them in jail with adults?
Layton: The number of aboriginal Canadians in jail is a national disgrace and so are the conditions in aboriginal communties. We need to do something about it.
Harper: [apparently not hearing Layton because this point has nothing to do with aboriginal incarceration rates] People aren’t in jail for long enough!
Dion: Increasing the incarceration rate isn’t going to do anything. Layton, why did you kill the Kelowna Accord if you care about aboriginal Canadians so much?
Layton: We did not! You were the ones that kept Harper in gov’t for so long…what are you doing running for PM if you can’t even be leader of the opposition?
11:23: Question Six: Barmak Salam is an Afghan-Canadian. Harper, how do you justify pulling out of Afghanistan in 2011 when the Taliban is reorganizing?
- Harper: By 2011, Canada will have been in Afghanistan for 10 years. He disagrees that we can stay indefinitely. We need to train Afgan army and police so they can take over security of the country. We can't do this without a deadline.
[Break for closing statements in the US Vice Presidential debate...I know, I know, but double debate duty is hard!]
11:33: Bush count: 5. Granted, I could have missed some in my flip to PBS.
11:34: Jack Layton, what the hell are you talking about? Taking troops out of Afghanistan and investing the money in Make Poverty History will help Afghanis? Maybe I shouldn't have flipped channels, now I have no idea what is going on.
Harper: Shot at Dion re: flip flopping on an end date. Yawn.
Bush count: 6
11:35: Question Seven: Dennis Peter is a retiree building a shed in his Toronto backyard. What is the first thing you’re going to do when you get into office…and no bullfeathers or bafflebrained answers, you hear?!
- Layton: Job creation in key sectors of the economy. More money.
- Duceppe: Is under no illusions that he will be prime minister. This helps him evade the question. He will ask whoever the PM is to help the people in the manufacturing sector, our seniors, and to apply Kyoto (what?! Kyoto? Weren't you just talking about provincial environmental strategies) and recognize the Quebec nation.
- May: Wants to help Dennis build the shed. She can multi task so as PM she’ll do a lot of things. Top at the list is fixing our electoral system to a system of proportional representation. We also need to deal with carbon emissions.
- Dion: Prepare an economic and fiscal update to help protect the money of Canadian. He will also have a kick ass cabinet.
- Harper: Manage Canada in the economic crisis; he might even be able to cut taxes while he does it!
11:43: I’m convinced they chose this question so that the leaders can talk about ANYTHING THEY WANT. We just went from federal/provincial relations to the environment to tax cuts. Oh, and now income splitting amongst married couples….May wants to know why Harper hates married couples. Carbon taxes will give us the $5 billion we need to allow for income splitting.
11:46: Harper: “Let me explain income trusts to you…” We are now officially in gong show mode.
11:47: Question Eight: Aimee Cameron hasn’t voted in the last couple of federal elections because she doesn’t like broken promises. How can a frustrated young voter like Aimee know who to trust?
- May: She has been a lawyer, and then a politican, she’s pretty much the paparazzi in terms of the dregs of society ladder. People will only have confidence in politicians if they ignore political parties. Canadians need to demand better of their politicians all the time.
- Dion: All the parties aren’t the same Aimee. Chretien didn’t go to Iraq, Harper would have.
- Harper: We’re a peaceful democracy, yay! Look at our platform ( May helpfully points out that no one knows where it is). Look at what we did before, we’re super great!
- Layton: Brings up Harper’s sweater again…Jack, you are not funny. We have had the same parties in power for a long time, best to go with the devil you don’t know. The issues of the kitchen table will be at the cabinet table with an NDP government.
11:52: TVO Moderator Steve elaborates on the question. If circumstances change, shouldn’t politicians be able to change their minds on issues?
- Layton: Conflates the Liberals and the Conservatives…better go with the NDP. He also really wants us to know that Harper will give Exxon a tax break if he becomes PM again.
- May: Jack didn’t answer the question…she will. “If you’re going to change your mind, you have to be honest about it.” I love Elizabeth May.
- Duceppe: (Ed Note: GIVE IT A REST!!!!!!!!!! Quebec’s seat at UNESCO, really?!)
ANNNNDDDDD we’re done. Phew.